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I know that the reason Edison Diamond Discs are so thick was to eliminate the problem of warpage, which would cause tracking problems for a vertically cut disc. So, for starters, make sure the records are perfectly flat, and the phonograph, itself, as level as possible. Along this line, the tone arm must move as freely as possible--sideways as well as up and down. I remember hearing from a local collector/record dealer, several years ago, that he hated Pathe' vertical cut records because the quality of the pressings varied. Apparently, there were quality control issues or other problems that resulted in a slightly shallow groove, so that while one side would track correctly, the other side would not. He also mentioned that the slightest wear-spot or a slight chip in the groove would cause skating. I've read that, for electrical playback of Pathe' vertical cut discs, the way to counteract the skating is to increase the weight of the tone arm or reproducer -- For instance, see -- http://78rpmrecord.com/pathvert.htm As for playing Pathe' discs on a Brunswick phonograph, I know that the Ultona tone arm has a sliding weight that must be moved to a certain position to provide enough tracking weight. SEE: http://nipperhead.com/old/brult.htm (Click on the thumbnail images to make them full size for viewing/printing.) -------------- BTW, if you find out anything, please post back here. It would be great to use for future reference. Joe_DS
I know that the reason Edison Diamond Discs are so thick was to eliminate the problem of warpage, which would cause tracking problems for a vertically cut disc. So, for starters, make sure the records are perfectly flat, and the phonograph, itself, as level as possible. Along this line, the tone arm must move as freely as possible--sideways as well as up and down. I remember hearing from a local collector/record dealer, several years ago, that he hated Pathe' vertical cut records because the quality of the pressings varied. Apparently, there were quality control issues or other problems that resulted in a slightly shallow groove, so that while one side would track correctly, the other side would not. He also mentioned that the slightest wear-spot or a slight chip in the groove would cause skating. I've read that, for electrical playback of Pathe' vertical cut discs, the way to counteract the skating is to increase the weight of the tone arm or reproducer -- For instance, see -- http://78rpmrecord.com/pathvert.htm As for playing Pathe' discs on a Brunswick phonograph, I know that the Ultona tone arm has a sliding weight that must be moved to a certain position to provide enough tracking weight. SEE: http://nipperhead.com/old/brult.htm (Click on the thumbnail images to make them full size for viewing/printing.) -------------- BTW, if you find out anything, please post back here. It would be great to use for future reference. Joe_DS
I am looking for a micromatic turntable(working of course) I have a 70's Console and the turntable has a speed problem and I can't seem to fix it. I have pulled the motor and cleaned it and also have relubed and still cannot seem to get it right. I live in centeral Pennsylvania and will gladly pick up for the right one.
I am looking for a micromatic turntable(working of course) I have a 70's Console and the turntable has a speed problem and I can't seem to fix it. I have pulled the motor and cleaned it and also have relubed and still cannot seem to get it right. I live in centeral Pennsylvania and will gladly pick up for the right one.
Record-changer wrote:Was a specific set of records sold with this player?
Most record players came with empty slots for records, and the consumer then labeled the slots with the records he purchased. I seem to remember that Edison had tabs on the record sleeves that were removed, to be placed on the slot identifiers.
No. This phonograph (and all other models with record storage) were supplied empty, and left for the customer to fill with their own choice of records at their own pace & expense.
As far as I know, DD's never had tabs on the covers.
The upright slotted storage systems, as in the LU-37, C19 etc were simply numbered along the bottom or top, on a permanent strip of paper-like substance. It's interesting that there was never a seperate index supplied with these machines, in which to write the record titles that corrosponded to the numbered slots.
Earlier storage systems such as the drawers in the C250, had either wooden dividers between all records similar to the upright system, or were divided in sections that contained 10 records each, and had cards between each record. These were more or less designed to make the record numbers stamped on the edge of the disc readable, but this system was replaced by the upright numbered slots around 1919, when the records no longer carried the numbers on the edge of the record.
Record albums were designed for open bottomed uprights like the A100, which (I think) held 6 records each, and only these came with an index to write record titles on.
The only Edison machine I know of that came complete with a set of records was the "School" cylinder phonograph, which was supplied with 60 BA cylinders.
Edison cylinders did come with a strip of paper in the early days, on which was printed record information similar to the labels on later cylinder lids. These could be cut out & pasted to either the lid of the cylinder box, or to the top of the cardboard pegs in cylinder storage cabinets & carry cases. This seperate strip of paper with cut out label seems to have been stopped once the gold moulded cylinders started to carry the record information around the top edge of the cylinder.
Record-changer wrote:Was a specific set of records sold with this player?
Most record players came with empty slots for records, and the consumer then labeled the slots with the records he purchased. I seem to remember that Edison had tabs on the record sleeves that were removed, to be placed on the slot identifiers.
No. This phonograph (and all other models with record storage) were supplied empty, and left for the customer to fill with their own choice of records at their own pace & expense.
As far as I know, DD's never had tabs on the covers.
The upright slotted storage systems, as in the LU-37, C19 etc were simply numbered along the bottom or top, on a permanent strip of paper-like substance. It's interesting that there was never a seperate index supplied with these machines, in which to write the record titles that corrosponded to the numbered slots.
Earlier storage systems such as the drawers in the C250, had either wooden dividers between all records similar to the upright system, or were divided in sections that contained 10 records each, and had cards between each record. These were more or less designed to make the record numbers stamped on the edge of the disc readable, but this system was replaced by the upright numbered slots around 1919, when the records no longer carried the numbers on the edge of the record.
Record albums were designed for open bottomed uprights like the A100, which (I think) held 6 records each, and only these came with an index to write record titles on.
The only Edison machine I know of that came complete with a set of records was the "School" cylinder phonograph, which was supplied with 60 BA cylinders.
Edison cylinders did come with a strip of paper in the early days, on which was printed record information similar to the labels on later cylinder lids. These could be cut out & pasted to either the lid of the cylinder box, or to the top of the cardboard pegs in cylinder storage cabinets & carry cases. This seperate strip of paper with cut out label seems to have been stopped once the gold moulded cylinders started to carry the record information around the top edge of the cylinder.
Unfortunatly it is apart right now and my digital camera is on the fritz. 
Unfortunatly it is apart right now and my digital camera is on the fritz.
I found one.Thanks Everyone
I found one.Thanks Everyone
thanks for all the info! i am glad i had it shipped over from New Zealand (to Melbourne) as it was being used as a TV stand by my mum! It is a great sounding machine for its age, it's a shame there is a small tare in the grille cloth, but its just fantastic to crank it up and listen to something from that error. it does have the gold transfer with the model number so it must be the earlier version.
thanks for all the info! i am glad i had it shipped over from New Zealand (to Melbourne) as it was being used as a TV stand by my mum! It is a great sounding machine for its age, it's a shame there is a small tare in the grille cloth, but its just fantastic to crank it up and listen to something from that error. it does have the gold transfer with the model number so it must be the earlier version.
This might be a single created by a garage band that tried to form a record company. But Google Aztec Records - there is a CD company by that name.
This might be a single created by a garage band that tried to form a record company. But Google Aztec Records - there is a CD company by that name.
Joe_DS wrote:2. ..... Columbia made vertical discs until 1903, and also briefly produced some vertical discs for use in France during World War I, because most players there were Pathe. I have one of the latter..
No disrespect intended, but I thought the the whole issue regarding whether or not Columbia produced vertical recordings for general sale was put to rest long ago...
BTW, you've yet to post a photo of the Columbia disc you believe is vertically recorded. Please do this ASAP. One of our members may have some information about this....
I did some more research, and found that the vertical discs made up to 1903 were for a foreign market, not for general distribution here.
I can't get to that disc for some time, because there are large pieces of furniture completely filling that room. It is blocking access the shelves containing all of my shellac records. Eventually that furniture will be put back where it belongs, but until I get the room the furniture belongs in ready to accept it, the disc is going to remain inaccessible. This is a home repair job I have been doing in my spare time when funds are available. Right now, funds are not available. It will damage the work I already did if I move the furniture back.
My house is a 15-puzzle right now, with something in the empty space where the segments are supposed to slide.
Joe_DS wrote:2. ..... Columbia made vertical discs until 1903, and also briefly produced some vertical discs for use in France during World War I, because most players there were Pathe. I have one of the latter..
No disrespect intended, but I thought the the whole issue regarding whether or not Columbia produced vertical recordings for general sale was put to rest long ago...
BTW, you've yet to post a photo of the Columbia disc you believe is vertically recorded. Please do this ASAP. One of our members may have some information about this....
I did some more research, and found that the vertical discs made up to 1903 were for a foreign market, not for general distribution here.
I can't get to that disc for some time, because there are large pieces of furniture completely filling that room. It is blocking access the shelves containing all of my shellac records. Eventually that furniture will be put back where it belongs, but until I get the room the furniture belongs in ready to accept it, the disc is going to remain inaccessible. This is a home repair job I have been doing in my spare time when funds are available. Right now, funds are not available. It will damage the work I already did if I move the furniture back.
My house is a 15-puzzle right now, with something in the empty space where the segments are supposed to slide.
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